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TowneForCongress.com - BekaForney
BekaForney
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Abolishing the legal tender laws would do a lot to help us head toward a sound money system.

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Due to excess traffic, a couple comments from Monday were lost (including mine).  Apologies!!  

TowneForCongress.com - Ben G.
Ben G.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/currency/6152204/UN-wants-new-global-currency-to-replace-dollar.html

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123780272456212885.html

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/5051075/A-world-currency-moves-nearer-after-Tim-Geithners-slip.html

Sounds like they could pull off the biggest heist ever? Spend, spend, spend until it's worth nothing and then reset the currency once you have the assets? Haha. Maybe a wild idea, maybe not? A destroyed dollar is a good excuse for the formation of a world currency. I'm sure  this is an oversimplification as my economic knowledge is limited, but a shift to a world (fiat)currency would allow an enhancement of the illegitimate control which you describe.

Also, it's clear you advocate a return to a commodity-backed unit of exchange. Instead of just Gold and Silver, do you believe there is a possibility of a wider "basket" currency? As in, a commodity backed by numerous commodities.

I stumbled upon your website by chance. It gives me hope. Keep going!

TowneForCongress.com - Ben G.
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"As in, a commodity backed by numerous commodities." = "As in, a currency backed by numerous commodities."

TowneForCongress.com - Jon
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Jake,  I really enjoyed reading this.  It is great to hear someone really making an attempt to reform money.  IMHO, just trying to help, I think you are losing site of things in 4 areas:

1.   Money DOES NOT need to be gold (or any commodity) backed in order to hold its value, be scarce, divisable, recognizable, etc.  You are falling into a trap by following this path.  Instead, money should be valuable "declared by law" (Rome, Plato, and Bank Of Amsterdamn proved this possible for over a 1000 years) .  By allowing money to be based on Gold you corrupt the system and make it vulnerable to underhanded manipulations.   By having a cleam money, declared valuable only by law, it would have more stability and value because it does not rely on anything else and it is more transparent.  STOP following this Gold standard path! (ref. The Lost Science Of Money)

2.  Since all world countries follow a fiat (non-commodity) standard, any country who establishes a Gold standard will fall prey to them.  This is because FIAT money is superior in many ways.  Fiat money systems can respond MUCH quicker and grow much faster (if necessary).  In a time of war , a country with a FIAT system will always rule.   A gold based system cannot grow fast enough.     In fact, against any "honest money" system,  FIAT will always RULE in the short term.   Any honest money system should have a mechanism to protect itself from FIAT money systems.   A Gold backed system would only work if the whole world went along with it.   Perhaps the SDR of the IMF should be Gold based (but its not; its a 20% reserve debt based system).

3.  Also, you are missing the point that , for money to be in the hands of the people, the money system NEEDS to be in the hands of each state.   State governments (NOT the federal government in any form)  should have complete control over the money system.  State monies should compete with each other in commerce like miniature countries.

4.  Finally, outlaw interest and use a dividend based stock system instead  where lenders take some of the risk in a loan of money.  The current interest based system allows lenders to remove themselves from any risk.  Lenders would profit only if the money they lent was profitable in its venture.   (The stock market is based on this kind of system.)

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Another comment sent into me via email...........

 

Committtees need to be formed to study this inside and out. It could be done in 6 months no problem - perhaps less time.

 

Second - we really don't know the extent of the damage done by this dishonest system; nor the totality of the associated repercussions on an international basis that could occur because the dollar is the world's reserve currency and accounts for about 2/3 rds of all forex transactions; and exactly how much gold is in Fort Knox, the Fed's bldgs., the IMF, etc. All this information must be disclosed and disclosed to the people. Also, education on national television, etc. needs to take place so when the committees' recommendations and findings on gold come out - the people would be able to understand the significance of what they are told. Once again - 6 months and this could be accomplished.

 

Personally, which is why we need study groups of experts, I believe that any gold in Fort Knox taken from the people by Roosevelt; gold in other depositories, Fed's vaults, etc - belong to We the People. Even a good amount of the IMF gold came from the US, as did many other holdings in the world. There are records. ALL that gold should be returned to the people - on a per diem basis. This is what would form the basis on a national gold currency.

 

The government cannot hold title to such - the government cannot "own" anything IMO, it is in truth held in trust by the governement for the people - the people are soveregn - not the government. We created the government. We created the Constitution. All these things exist for us - the people - We are sovereign. They are simply instruments that we have ordained to be used to provide for our welfare. All law must be in pursuance of the Constitution or it is null and void, as if never passed; it holds no binding authority whatsoever. Cue Warranto? This is debatable according to most legal authority. I disagree.

 

When you talk about the gold, or the gold exchange system, you do a good job of explaining the difference. Do not forget, however, that for more than the first half century of our country, there was no gold standard system of any kind - we were on and still are on, a silver standard that includes a bimatellic system of exchange of silver and gold and vice versa. This can only be changed by a constitutional amendment; and was has never occurred. It was based, however, on the WRONG idea of a fixed or legal tender (jurisitic definition) exchange rate of 15-1, rather than according to free market principles of floating exchange rates left to the free market, which is the economic definition of money.

 

But at least there was not yet any form of paper fiat debt-money. So, in truth - even the original system was not completely honest, although much, much closer to anything ever had in this country since. If the exchange rate had not been fixed - it would have been an honest system. I think it was so intended by most, but not all of the Founding Fathers. This was Hamilton's idea/doing IMO. He left the door to the mint wide open for the thiefs who come in the night. And come they did. From there it was all downhill. They slowly but surely dismantled the system in a progresive devolution - ending with paper fiat debt-money (the national debt ciruclating as money).

 

So, in the beginning the money was real and honest; but the fixed exchange ratio of the bimettalic currency was dishonest. The two are not mutally inclusive; especially in a fixed legal tender system (which idea is false). That is not how a free market works. This is why gold and silver must exchange by weight and purity alone - honest weights and measures. No other names or units, etc. Then no games can be played therewith. An ounce of gold is an ounce of gold. This is why gold should NOT BACK ANYTHING.

 

The money should be gold - not back something else. The concept of "backing" anything with gold is false IMO. Completely invalid. I do not agree with any system that wants to back anything - even 100% with gold. There is no need and there is great risk. As your quote says: give the evil one's (and make no mistake - this is about the evil one's) any chance of messing with the system and they will. Take it away from them and in the flash of the eye they'll buy it back with the stroke of a pen or at the point of a sword or at the threat of pushing the button.

 

I agree with essentially the first half of your article, except or unless where anything I've said above differs with it, which wasn't too much up to that point (50% or halfway). From thence on a differ with a fair amount.

 

Changing the system overnight will never work as proposed. I don't think the intricacies and complexities of the foreign reserve currency issues are being considered in their full light. The entire world's financial system is dependent on a false monetary system; and if you try to change it over night, it would be like trying to get all the opium addicts in the world to get clean all in the same night. It ain't gonna happen IMO.

 

Also, recall my plan (which needs to be pulled apart and discussed and changed, etc) calls for the abolishment of the Fed immediately; no more FRN's can be issued; I only allow for the exiting one's to circulate side by side with gold. Let the market decide which it wants to use. You have cut the snake's head off by abolishing the Fed and not allowing any more new debt-money (FRN's) to be issued - but if you try overnight to replace all the existing FRN's in circulation; as well as all the various markets, including forex and the over the counter derivatives markets denominated in large part by the dollar - pandemodium will break out, which mean hell breaks out. And I mean that in the true since of the word pandemonium. Hell, could actually break out.

 

I estimate that the plan I proposed, which is essentially the same one Ron Paul has propsed before Congress for the last 20 years, is the best starting point I'm aware of. It's not full-proof, just a starting point. It would take about 3 years or so to make the transition out of existing circulating FRN's to gold. People would quickly learn which held value (purchasing power) the best - BUT THIS WOULD ONLY HAPPEN IF GOLD WAS NO LONGER PRICED IN DOLLAR BILLS, AS THIS IS A MISTAKE OF THE HIGHEST ORDER. GOODS ALSO WOULD NEED TO BE PRICED IN WEIGHTS OF GOLD - NOT IN DOLLAR BILL AMOUNTS. An entire new banking and monetary system is needed.

 

Larry Parks at FAME, Vieira, and Antal Fekete know more about this than the Mises crowd IMO. I believe that Mises and now his followers got several things wrong - like the fact that money is a future good - not a present good. That is wrong IMO and a very big mistake and point that needs addressing. This goes to the heart of what money is versus what debt is; and how in a paper fiat debt based system, money and debt become the same thing.

 

I have read or heard from very few who understand that real money completes payment (not discharge - two differnt things) for only one of the two people involved in an exchange - the buyer. The seller does not fulfill his needs when he accepts money in exchange - even gold money. He takes it based on faith that in the FUTURE he is going to be able to return to the market and use the gold money to buy something he needs; and that the gold money will be accepted and HOLD PURCHASING POWER when he decides to become a buyer; where before he was a seller.

 

This is what makes a market: buyers and sellers must have faith that the money in exchange is going to be accepted and hold value. Buyers and sellers must have faith that when they go from being a buyer to a seller and back again that the unit of money and the system is going to still be in place and WORK. This is why/how hyperinflation destroys a currency; especially fiat currencies. All such faith is lost; and in paper fiat land all there is is faith. There is no substance whatsover. But even gold can falter - if man for whatever reason decides he no longer values it and wants to accept it in payment/exchange. Indirect exchange always carries the risk that the money used can go out of favor, as it is accepted according to subjective valuation. If all people were honest, anything could be used as money. Or put another way: without honest men you can't have honest money.

 

As to your plan - I don't understand how a few of its important issues would be settled: by and according to what specific monetary policy; such as the setting on a new fractional reserve rate, which I'm not sure if I even understand the basic premise. If you stop the banking system from using fractional reserve banking via FRN's; and you replace FRN's with US Gov notes, why would you want to allow or reset the fractional reserve rate by which banking and exchange is thereby done? I'm probably missing or not understanding something, but I don't see how this would work.

 

Why is just the amount of Treasury Debt "owned" by the Fed to be canceled and not the rest? When you say all FRN's are to be replaced at parity with a US note, do you mean those held by the Fed, the US; or foreign holders as well?

 

How would you get foreign holders of FRN's (especially large trading partners like Japan and China) to do this?

 

Let's say everybody in the world agrees to exchange their FRN's for the new Government Note on a one to one basis. What is the purchasing power of this new note? Upon what basis or unit of account is it to be fxed or established?

 

Even if it is allowed to float, float according to what unit of account or basis?

 

The main difference (or perhaps only difference) I see between your system and mine is this abolishing of treasury debt owned by the Fed and the replacing of FRN's with US notes (which has been suggested by others - before. It may be a valid idea, but needs more fine tuning due to very complex foreign exchange implications). To try to throw a monetary coup overnight is very tricky business, and could easily result in the complete freezing up of the global financial systems and economies based thereon; it's not far from that to tempers flaring up big time do to resulting defaults, liquidations, disruption of markets and basic needs, etc. It could be like opening up pandora's box. Any set back like this would be used by the bankers to tarnish gold as money and would take decades to undo.

TowneForCongress.com - Billy
Billy
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John F.Kennedy wanted to end the Fed and look what happened to him! Be very, very careful!

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Consciousness...The whole basis for moneys existence is based on people needing to participate in the sharing of goods and services in what was to be a "fair" way...but is that any longer necessary? With our current science we could provide all the goods and services ever needed by the 6 billion people on the planet, using robots to do the grunt and slavery work, freeing humans to advance the Arts and Sciences for the good of the human family. Every invention that people have been killed about and hidden away could be evaluated for its potential usefulness and introduced into society. If we collectively worked for the good of total society, without the negatives of the NWO, we could have the 1000 years of an enlightened society that is rumored to have happened in the ancient past. Think about it...people teaching because they wanted to teach, students learning what they want to learn vs what can get them paid the highest wages, people researching what inspires them, people showing up at the site of a disaster to help in the ways that they can, even people laying on the beach because that is what they want to do. Even the laziest of humans tends to want to do SOMETHING after a long period of idleness...Education available to everyone/anyone...If instead of having to worry about "the other guy" getting ahead of you, you could focus on what inspires you, experiment with it, record your knowledge discover for others to digest and move on. Paint your electronic picture, dive the reefs, reforest India...whatever floats your boat (or build them)...and guess what? The system of "numbers in your account" that represent nothing is already in place. We the people just have to decide that we are tired of holding each other to a false standard of "accomplishment" based only on Western standards, respect and appreciate each others existence as the Creators expressions and live accordingly.

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